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Talents / Paladin / Vengeance
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Vengeance

Vengeance was changed in WoW Forever: 3 ranks (Classic had 5), moved from row 6 to row 5, rank 1 reworked: "Increases your Physical and Holy damage dealt by 1% for 30 sec after landing a non-periodic critical strike. Stacks up to 3 times.", no longer requires Conviction, and 1 more change. Now Paladin Retribution talent, 3 ranks. Full tooltip comparison with Classic Era below.

This talent has 3 ranks in WoW Forever (Classic Era had 5), one per point you can spend. Pick a rank to see the ability it grants at that many points, Classic Era vs WoW Forever.

1 point spent changed

Vengeance rank 1: Classic Era vs WoW Forever

Classic Era
Vengeance
Rank 1 of 5 · Passive

Gives you a 3% bonus to Physical and Holy damage you deal for 8 sec after dealing a critical strike from a weapon swing, spell, or ability.

WoW Forever
Vengeance
Rank 1 of 3 · Passive

Increases your Physical and Holy damage dealt by 1% for 30 sec after landing a non-periodic critical strike. Stacks up to 3 times.

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2 points spent changed

Vengeance rank 2: Classic Era vs WoW Forever

Classic Era
Vengeance
Rank 2 of 5 · Passive

Gives you a 6% bonus to Physical and Holy damage you deal for 8 sec after dealing a critical strike from a weapon swing, spell, or ability.

WoW Forever
Vengeance
Rank 2 of 3 · Passive

Increases your Physical and Holy damage dealt by 2% for 30 sec after landing a non-periodic critical strike. Stacks up to 3 times.

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3 points spent changed

Vengeance rank 3: Classic Era vs WoW Forever

Classic Era
Vengeance
Rank 3 of 5 · Passive

Gives you a 9% bonus to Physical and Holy damage you deal for 8 sec after dealing a critical strike from a weapon swing, spell, or ability.

WoW Forever
Vengeance
Rank 3 of 3 · Passive

Increases your Physical and Holy damage dealt by 3% for 30 sec after landing a non-periodic critical strike. Stacks up to 3 times.

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4 points spent · not in WoW Forever removed

Vengeance rank 4: Classic Era vs WoW Forever

Classic Era
Vengeance
Rank 4 of 5 · Passive

Gives you a 12% bonus to Physical and Holy damage you deal for 8 sec after dealing a critical strike from a weapon swing, spell, or ability.

WoW Forever

WoW Forever has no rank 4: this talent now has 3 ranks.

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5 points spent · not in WoW Forever removed

Vengeance rank 5: Classic Era vs WoW Forever

Classic Era
Vengeance
Rank 5 of 5 · Passive

Gives you a 15% bonus to Physical and Holy damage you deal for 8 sec after dealing a critical strike from a weapon swing, spell, or ability.

WoW Forever

WoW Forever has no rank 5: this talent now has 3 ranks.

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Vengeance changes between Forever builds

  • In the Sep 24, 2026 build (vs Sep 23, 2026): changed rank 1 reworked: "Increases your Physical and Holy damage dealt by 1% for 30 sec after landing a non-periodic critical strike. Stacks up to 3 times."

Talent field diff the talent row itself (name, class slot, ranks)
Field Classic Era Forever
prereqTalent [ 1411 ] [ 130430 ]
rankSpellIds [ 20049, 20056, 20057, 20058, 20059 ] [ 20049, 20056, 20057 ]
rankTexts [ "Gives you a 3% bonus to Physical and Holy damage you deal for 8 sec after dealing a critical strike from a weapon swing, spell, or ability.", "Gives you a 6% bonus to Physical and Holy damage you deal for 8 sec after dealing a critical strike from a weapon swing, spell, or ability.", "Gives you a 9% bonus to Physical and Holy damage you deal for 8 sec after dealing a critical strike from a weapon swing, spell, or ability.", "Gives you a 12% bonus to Physical and Holy damage you deal for 8 sec after dealing a critical strike from a weapon swing, spell, or ability.", "Gives you a 15% bonus to Physical and Holy damage you deal for 8 sec after dealing a critical strike from a weapon swing, spell, or ability." ] [ "Increases your Physical and Holy damage dealt by 1% for 30 sec after landing a non-periodic critical strike. Stacks up to 3 times.", "Increases your Physical and Holy damage dealt by 2% for 30 sec after landing a non-periodic critical strike. Stacks up to 3 times.", "Increases your Physical and Holy damage dealt by 3% for 30 sec after landing a non-periodic critical strike. Stacks up to 3 times." ]
rankValues [ [ 3, 8 ], [ 6, 8 ], [ 9, 8 ], [ 12, 8 ], [ 15, 8 ] ] [ [ 1, 30, 3 ], [ 2, 30, 3 ], [ 3, 30, 3 ] ]
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Questions about Vengeance

Was Vengeance nerfed in WoW Forever?

Vengeance is listed as changed, not nerfed or buffed: no rank value moved one way in WoW Forever compared with Classic Era. What changed: 3 ranks (Classic had 5), moved from row 6 to row 5, rank 1 reworked: "Increases your Physical and Holy damage dealt by 1% for 30 sec after landing a non-periodic critical strike. Stacks up to 3 times.", no longer requires Conviction, and 1 more change.

What changed for Vengeance in WoW Forever?

3 ranks (Classic had 5), moved from row 6 to row 5, rank 1 reworked: "Increases your Physical and Holy damage dealt by 1% for 30 sec after landing a non-periodic critical strike. Stacks up to 3 times.", no longer requires Conviction, and 1 more change. The Classic Era and WoW Forever tooltips are shown side by side on this page.

Read from the Oct 22, 2026 build (1.60.1.70532), compared against Classic Era Oct 27, 2026 (1.15.9.70576) ·synced Oct 27, 2026 · how we read this → · report a wrong value